Just got my Framework 13 last week. I really love this computer, and how it is pushing for upgradability and repairability in this segment. Thanks a lot for creating this computer!
Just got my Framework Dektop a few weeks ago and it works flawlessly so far with Debian 13 install including (shock!) suspend working without issue. :)
It’s really great to see companies focus on improving Linux hardware support.
Bravo! This (and coreboot) are why I own a Starbook from Starlabs.
Worth noting that the starlabs machines are equally repairable as the frameworks as well. But am extremely happy to have multiple options in the niche, will survey again when I upgrade.
I just wish their StarFighter was out already, it has been in a weird state of limbo forever. The FW16 seems easier to beat than the FW13; the 4K screen alone would be so much nicer for 2x scaling.
Yes their releases are slow but in exchange you get extremely good support from a small devoted team. My starbook took a year after preorder but have been so content since it arrived I won't hesitate to preorder again
I can only recommend starlabs in that case, took me tons of research before discovering only starlabs has everything: repair ability, firmware, coreboot, compatibility, custom hardware.
yah, the problem is I'm pretty heavily invested in framework and already bought the newest 16" before I realized starlabs wasn't selling rebadged compal suitcase sized laptops anymore, so it'll be 3 years at least.
Yes fair enough I was on the fence between framework and starlabs since they seem to be only custom hardware Linux machines and am lucky I wasn't in a rush and could wait for the starlabs or I would have pulled the trigger on framework. Machines will hopefully only be better when the time comes!
yah, it's a small gripe really, I just really want to try out coreboot, it looks like the future. I wish windows wasn't holding back hardware development everywhere so badly.
My starbook coreboot let's me set charge limit (60%/80%/100%) as well as 3 different charging speed settings, which are incredible for a computer that remains largely docked.
I think framework made a misstep with this spornsorship deal. I still think they should be supported in their mission and you don't have to regret your purchase.
Point of clarification: we don’t sponsor Omarchy. We did sponsor Rails World, which is put on by the Rails Foundation, because our site is built on Rails. Our full set of sponsorships is here: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
You promoted Omarchy repeatedly on Twitter (much moreso than other distros) and DHH repeatedly promoted Framework in kind. You sent DHH a development device for Omarchy. It's worth noting that DHH is also the chair of the board of the Rails Foundation.
So whether it's a sponsorship on your list or not, it's much cozier than I would care to be with someone who holds these views.
Even apart from DHH's controversy, I was really puzzled by Framework's online hype-manning of Omarchy. As a consumer and Linux user it made me wary of the Framework brand and uncertain of the project's goals. Promoting a downstream niche project like that is cart-before-horse behavior, my next laptop will be a COTS machine until Framework can sort out their professional ambitions.
What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views?
This Twitter drama is so stupid. Framework did effectively nothing and all these chronically online people like yourself are diagnosing every comment anyone has ever said trying to make Framework denounce their alleged endorsement of views that never happened.
You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.
Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?
“I love KitKats!”
“Omg, Nestle uses slaves to farm cocoa for KitKats! Will you apologize for endorsing slavery??”
“No…because I never endorsed slavery…I just said I love KitKats.”
> at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this
That level is of a private citizen, casually going to the corner store to buy a KitKat. If you're giving thousands of dollars to Nestle to hold a conference about their farming practices, I think you might consider their farming practices before giving them a pile of money to hold that conference, even if they are delicious.
And when did Framework do anything like that in relation to this issue?
They just sponsor the Rails Foundation.
GitHub sponsors them too, are you gonna boycott them until they apologize?
How many people on this forum truly believed that supporting GNU while Richard Stallman was a part of it was making an endorsement of his unsavory actions?
This toxic Twitter drama stuff involving everything being a black or white issue with no nuance is so off-putting. Everything is polarized where you’re either on one side or the other and you have to take sides.
Should I boycott all the grocery stores for stocking KitKats and starve myself? Throw out my electronics too? Which ethical laptop of indisputable virtue and purity would you recommend?
> What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views?
How about the whole "giving D14HH thousands of dollars for a useless meme distro which does exactly zero novel things"?
What is with this epidemic of willful ignorance?
>You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.
You might be forgetting the power differential between the worker bees and the CEO/board. The latter make the decisions, the former just execute them. Would I prefer if they had carried out a strike? Yes, but I know how hard it can be to put your job on the line, especially for underpaid positions.
But if you're the CEO? Shut the fuck up. You can't buy your sixth yacht if you reject the JKR deal? Boo-fucking-hop.
> Everyone who bought a Tesla is automatically a Nazi unless they make an apologetic statement when asked about it.
Yeah, kinda. That's Musk's whole deal.
>Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?
The whole problem is because Framework made a political statement with the donation. If they hadn't done so and just stayed away, then nobody would have ever had an issue, no matter their politics.
If you openly make a political statement, what do you think people are going to do?
The reason we are disagreeing so much is that we can’t agree on what defines a political statement.
Take your view on Tesla as an analogy to this:
I don’t like Teslas and I don’t like Elon but they sell so many vehicles per year that it’s a statistical impossibility for all their owners to automatically be Nazi sympathizers. The Model Y sells almost as many units as the RAV4. A whole lot of Tesla owners don’t even know who Elon Musk is. Most people are not connected to any of this stupid Twitter drama.
Framework hasn’t engaged with this guy in any way that goes beyond technology. They sponsor the rails foundation (not the distro) and maybe gave the dude a dev machine.
You call this an open political statement, but I would say it’s the opposite. And now the Framework CEO is being cornered to make a political statement when he never intended to make one in the first place.
It’s not like Framework donated to “The DHH Political Foundation for Racism.”
So which angelic vendor are you purchasing your hardware from instead? Do tell...
I personally supported MNTRE by purchasing a new Reform and will order a Reform Next, but it's not yet a substitute for anything state of the art. (I'm not sure Framework laptops are even competitive in that space either, certainly not in terms of price:perf)
The problem is that buying Framework has always been a political decision, from the very start. Right-to-repair, specifically.
If you don't care about the politics at all, then why would you even consider buying one of their laptops? There is literally zero reason. They sell overpriced, underpowered plastic hunks of shit which are an absolute pain to even buy, let alone deal with.
So if they start supporting a far-right agitator like D14HH, that bakes him into the very soul of supporting Framework. Which makes the whole thing rather dicey.
> overpriced, underpowered plastic hunks of shit which are an absolute pain to even buy, let alone deal with.
Absolute nonsense, my FW16 has been fantastic. No hardware trouble at all to speak of in my years owning it. Looks cool, works great, solid construction. Ordering was a breeze. I love everything about the experience of buying and owning this laptop.
> That frustration was on wide display in Tommy Robinson's march yesterday. British and English flags flying high and proud, like they would in Copenhagen on the day of a national soccer match. Which was both odd to see but also heartwarming. You can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that all of Britain is lost in self-loathing, shame, and suicidal empathy. But of course it's not.
Whether him saying that in that fashion rises to the level of "supports" is for you to decide.
I asked for evidence that Framework supports this. If you check the post it's a thread about Framework. This is line noise not even worth thinking about unless you have something showing Framework supports this.
If you have nothing actually relevant to Framework (as it seems) maybe you should think about the four wise monkeys.
Oh I misread your comment. I don't have anything. No tweets from Framework, nothing in their forum, nothing on this very thread where Framework employees are active to denounce DHH or Mr. Robinson.
Why do you think you are entitled to an answer to a loaded question?
"Does XYZ respond to loaded questions?" is nowhere near any rubric I use for evaluating anything. Only those with guilty conscience engage in this bullshit. The innocent are wise enough to ignore it.
And now fragmede would you mind telling us when you stopped curbstomping the unhomed?
It’s not about a loaded question. It’s about accountability. Framework is actively in this thread, and has made no attempt to distance itself from DHH’s statements. That’s a data point whether you like it or not. Silence isn’t proof, but it is signal when a company’s brand is directly implicated.
That reason is repeated elsewhere on this thread but since you're feigning ignorance I'll repeat it here. Basically
he wrote some hateful racist shit that ever so barely can be interpreted as not being hateful racist shit, so the resulting controversy is "was that actually racist hateful shit?" Some of the people who read it as hateful racist shit are rich and pulled funding from various places associated with him, because they don't want to be affiliated with hateful racist shit.
I'm actually not, as I don't follow celebrities (including in tech) and find giving what they say weight silly. I was more referring to him being generally controversial and that not being a new thing.
Anyway, I took the time to at least skim that faithful blog post and what he wrote appears to be just a reflection of what a significant chunk of Danes nowadays think.
Also where I'm from it would be considered tame and I wish my country's policy was more like that of Denmark, because so far we have largely performative violence, which isn't really effective.
Personally I think Robinson's entire purpose in life is to keep himself out of jail, but he fails at that too. Not too bright a fellow, and certainly a terrible leader.
So? Look, I'm aware that there has been a recent drive to erase British history with this overt (and often comically historically inaccurate) diversity agenda (see: Netflix slop and BBC docudramas), but I'm genuinely not aware of any person who would consider West Africans to be "native Brits" (in the ethnic sense of the term, of course). To a reasonable common man, it's absurd.
Even if this is your view, it's clearly not the view of the original author so by introducing this fringe opinion you're only serving to confuse the discussion.
How can you possibly define "native Brit" in a way that includes, say, Saxons, but excludes West Africans who immigrated in the 1200s, without simply saying "people with light skin"? Or is 1066 your cutoff? Why?
Simply say, "we didn't realise how controversial DHH was, and we will focus our donations/marketing/sponsorships on other projects in the FOSS ecosystem going forward."
The fact Framework hasn't done this in the face of his racist, anti-trans and ableist viewpoints is what I find objectionable.
What's wrong with "We didn't realise how controversial DHH was, and frankly it's none of our business. We are sponsoring his development efforts, not his political crusade."?
What's wrong buying any Harry Potter thing, when J.K. has spoken very clearly that any money that she would get, would be use in his anti-trans crusade ?
Framework isn't funding any crusade. They made a small contribution to support open source software development.
If you don't agree with that, quietly take your business elsewhere. I cannot fathom the entitlement on display here, for this group to believe they have the moral high ground in demanding a cessation of this funding and a public apology, while trying to organise a boycott.
Nothing you buy doesn't have a fascist and a communist somewhere in the supply chain. Whatever your politics, you are always indirectly funding your political opponents. It bears no relation to the product or service they provide. You need to learn to operate in a society full of diverse opinions rather than having a meltdown when anyone differs in perspective.
That article spends a lot of words in trying to paint DHH's "native Brits" in a positive light but never mentions the following sentence from the article:
> A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.
How is DHH able to determine nativity as defined by "being born and brought up" simply walking the streets of London if it has nothing to do with what you look like?
Plus he even links to a Wikipedia page about white vs non-white British population in London and uses the non-white number. If he wanted to, he could've referred to the foreign-born vs local-born numbers too but he did not.
I don't think DHH is racist, but he's so infected by the anti-woke mind virus that he's happy to parrot racist talking points to "own the libs". Whether that's any better, I'm not sure.
It seems like the author has infinite rope to extend to DHH. That's not being nice, that's being oblivious.
Of course, but I know people who live in the UK who are not white. Some have lived there all their lives, even. Perhaps this drivel doesn't upset them but I can imagine how it might.
Unfortunately DHH is not going to be focused on the UK only. He'll lend his voice to the next rightwing ragebait without consideration of people who he works with on the daily. He had some very strong but entirely misinformed opinions about my hometown a few years ago and it was extremely annoying to read that from an ostensibly intelligent person while being in the middle of everything.
If he was some random guy, it wouldn't be such an issue but given he's the leader of a big open source project, everything he says gets a lot of publicity and frankly causes a lot of distraction for people just trying to do work on or with Rails.
It seems unlikely to me that DHH wasn’t referring to white people when he said “native Brit”. Certainly, if that’s not what he meant, he could clear that up pretty easily. Has he?
There will be people of all types and ideologies in the Framework laptop supply chain somewhere. I don't see how this man's political views are at all relevant to the computer you are buying, even if you managed to convince me that he is guilty of thought crime in the first place.
My first Framework is preordered now. I really don't care if a Nazi or a transsexual furry Marxist or anything in between has contributed along the way. I bought a computer from a computer manufacturer.
Isn't that repairability, upgradeability and customisation, though? I didn't see anything political while completing my preorder.
It seems to me like certain groups are trying to project their political agenda on to this repairable laptop maker, and then being outraged when the company is more concerned with making repairable laptops than championing their particular views.
We consider LVFS to be critical infrastructure for our products and are happy to support it. Richard is doing excellent work.
Just got my Framework 13 last week. I really love this computer, and how it is pushing for upgradability and repairability in this segment. Thanks a lot for creating this computer!
Just got my Framework Dektop a few weeks ago and it works flawlessly so far with Debian 13 install including (shock!) suspend working without issue. :)
It’s really great to see companies focus on improving Linux hardware support.
Great to hear that!
Delightful news! I hope more vendors will follow Framework's example.
I have a couple machines that get all relevant updates from LVFS, it's been an absolute game changer for me.
Bravo! This (and coreboot) are why I own a Starbook from Starlabs.
Worth noting that the starlabs machines are equally repairable as the frameworks as well. But am extremely happy to have multiple options in the niche, will survey again when I upgrade.
I just wish their StarFighter was out already, it has been in a weird state of limbo forever. The FW16 seems easier to beat than the FW13; the 4K screen alone would be so much nicer for 2x scaling.
Yes their releases are slow but in exchange you get extremely good support from a small devoted team. My starbook took a year after preorder but have been so content since it arrived I won't hesitate to preorder again
I wish framework would support coreboot, that would be awesome.
I can only recommend starlabs in that case, took me tons of research before discovering only starlabs has everything: repair ability, firmware, coreboot, compatibility, custom hardware.
yah, the problem is I'm pretty heavily invested in framework and already bought the newest 16" before I realized starlabs wasn't selling rebadged compal suitcase sized laptops anymore, so it'll be 3 years at least.
Yes fair enough I was on the fence between framework and starlabs since they seem to be only custom hardware Linux machines and am lucky I wasn't in a rush and could wait for the starlabs or I would have pulled the trigger on framework. Machines will hopefully only be better when the time comes!
yah, it's a small gripe really, I just really want to try out coreboot, it looks like the future. I wish windows wasn't holding back hardware development everywhere so badly.
My starbook coreboot let's me set charge limit (60%/80%/100%) as well as 3 different charging speed settings, which are incredible for a computer that remains largely docked.
What is LVFS / Fwupd ? Neither the article or its first link explains it.
fwupd is a firmware update program that allows updating the firmware on the motherboard and other connected devices.
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I think framework made a misstep with this spornsorship deal. I still think they should be supported in their mission and you don't have to regret your purchase.
Point of clarification: we don’t sponsor Omarchy. We did sponsor Rails World, which is put on by the Rails Foundation, because our site is built on Rails. Our full set of sponsorships is here: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships
You promoted Omarchy repeatedly on Twitter (much moreso than other distros) and DHH repeatedly promoted Framework in kind. You sent DHH a development device for Omarchy. It's worth noting that DHH is also the chair of the board of the Rails Foundation.
So whether it's a sponsorship on your list or not, it's much cozier than I would care to be with someone who holds these views.
Even apart from DHH's controversy, I was really puzzled by Framework's online hype-manning of Omarchy. As a consumer and Linux user it made me wary of the Framework brand and uncertain of the project's goals. Promoting a downstream niche project like that is cart-before-horse behavior, my next laptop will be a COTS machine until Framework can sort out their professional ambitions.
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What's the source of your quote?
What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views?
This Twitter drama is so stupid. Framework did effectively nothing and all these chronically online people like yourself are diagnosing every comment anyone has ever said trying to make Framework denounce their alleged endorsement of views that never happened.
You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.
Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?
“I love KitKats!”
“Omg, Nestle uses slaves to farm cocoa for KitKats! Will you apologize for endorsing slavery??”
“No…because I never endorsed slavery…I just said I love KitKats.”
> at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this
That level is of a private citizen, casually going to the corner store to buy a KitKat. If you're giving thousands of dollars to Nestle to hold a conference about their farming practices, I think you might consider their farming practices before giving them a pile of money to hold that conference, even if they are delicious.
And when did Framework do anything like that in relation to this issue?
They just sponsor the Rails Foundation.
GitHub sponsors them too, are you gonna boycott them until they apologize?
How many people on this forum truly believed that supporting GNU while Richard Stallman was a part of it was making an endorsement of his unsavory actions?
This toxic Twitter drama stuff involving everything being a black or white issue with no nuance is so off-putting. Everything is polarized where you’re either on one side or the other and you have to take sides.
Should I boycott all the grocery stores for stocking KitKats and starve myself? Throw out my electronics too? Which ethical laptop of indisputable virtue and purity would you recommend?
I'm not sure how you get that from my comment.
> What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views?
How about the whole "giving D14HH thousands of dollars for a useless meme distro which does exactly zero novel things"?
What is with this epidemic of willful ignorance?
>You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.
You might be forgetting the power differential between the worker bees and the CEO/board. The latter make the decisions, the former just execute them. Would I prefer if they had carried out a strike? Yes, but I know how hard it can be to put your job on the line, especially for underpaid positions.
But if you're the CEO? Shut the fuck up. You can't buy your sixth yacht if you reject the JKR deal? Boo-fucking-hop.
> Everyone who bought a Tesla is automatically a Nazi unless they make an apologetic statement when asked about it.
Yeah, kinda. That's Musk's whole deal.
>Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?
The whole problem is because Framework made a political statement with the donation. If they hadn't done so and just stayed away, then nobody would have ever had an issue, no matter their politics.
If you openly make a political statement, what do you think people are going to do?
The reason we are disagreeing so much is that we can’t agree on what defines a political statement.
Take your view on Tesla as an analogy to this:
I don’t like Teslas and I don’t like Elon but they sell so many vehicles per year that it’s a statistical impossibility for all their owners to automatically be Nazi sympathizers. The Model Y sells almost as many units as the RAV4. A whole lot of Tesla owners don’t even know who Elon Musk is. Most people are not connected to any of this stupid Twitter drama.
Framework hasn’t engaged with this guy in any way that goes beyond technology. They sponsor the rails foundation (not the distro) and maybe gave the dude a dev machine.
You call this an open political statement, but I would say it’s the opposite. And now the Framework CEO is being cornered to make a political statement when he never intended to make one in the first place.
It’s not like Framework donated to “The DHH Political Foundation for Racism.”
I'm not a huge fan of Ruby on Rails either, but despite this I'm pretty happy with my Framework laptop.
So which angelic vendor are you purchasing your hardware from instead? Do tell...
I personally supported MNTRE by purchasing a new Reform and will order a Reform Next, but it's not yet a substitute for anything state of the art. (I'm not sure Framework laptops are even competitive in that space either, certainly not in terms of price:perf)
The problem is that buying Framework has always been a political decision, from the very start. Right-to-repair, specifically.
If you don't care about the politics at all, then why would you even consider buying one of their laptops? There is literally zero reason. They sell overpriced, underpowered plastic hunks of shit which are an absolute pain to even buy, let alone deal with.
So if they start supporting a far-right agitator like D14HH, that bakes him into the very soul of supporting Framework. Which makes the whole thing rather dicey.
> overpriced, underpowered plastic hunks of shit which are an absolute pain to even buy, let alone deal with.
Absolute nonsense, my FW16 has been fantastic. No hardware trouble at all to speak of in my years owning it. Looks cool, works great, solid construction. Ordering was a breeze. I love everything about the experience of buying and owning this laptop.
Who/what is DHH?
DHH is a racist who supports Tommy Robinson.
https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson
So what's the evidence Framework supports Tommy Robinson (whoever that is) or is this Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon line noise?
https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
DHH's blog post that stirred up this controversy:
> That frustration was on wide display in Tommy Robinson's march yesterday. British and English flags flying high and proud, like they would in Copenhagen on the day of a national soccer match. Which was both odd to see but also heartwarming. You can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that all of Britain is lost in self-loathing, shame, and suicidal empathy. But of course it's not.
Whether him saying that in that fashion rises to the level of "supports" is for you to decide.
I asked for evidence that Framework supports this. If you check the post it's a thread about Framework. This is line noise not even worth thinking about unless you have something showing Framework supports this.
If you have nothing actually relevant to Framework (as it seems) maybe you should think about the four wise monkeys.
Oh I misread your comment. I don't have anything. No tweets from Framework, nothing in their forum, nothing on this very thread where Framework employees are active to denounce DHH or Mr. Robinson.
Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.
Why do you think you are entitled to an answer to a loaded question?
"Does XYZ respond to loaded questions?" is nowhere near any rubric I use for evaluating anything. Only those with guilty conscience engage in this bullshit. The innocent are wise enough to ignore it.
And now fragmede would you mind telling us when you stopped curbstomping the unhomed?
Last Wednesday, because it was raining.
It’s not about a loaded question. It’s about accountability. Framework is actively in this thread, and has made no attempt to distance itself from DHH’s statements. That’s a data point whether you like it or not. Silence isn’t proof, but it is signal when a company’s brand is directly implicated.
Demanding accountability of someone for something you admit they have not done is particularly Kafkaesque.
> irrelevant UK politics
Framework are based in San Francisco, California, USA
David Heinemeier Hansson, creator of Ruby on Rails.
Everyone who knows that abbreviation seems to have a strong opinion on the guy for some reason.
> for some reason
That reason is repeated elsewhere on this thread but since you're feigning ignorance I'll repeat it here. Basically he wrote some hateful racist shit that ever so barely can be interpreted as not being hateful racist shit, so the resulting controversy is "was that actually racist hateful shit?" Some of the people who read it as hateful racist shit are rich and pulled funding from various places associated with him, because they don't want to be affiliated with hateful racist shit.
> since you're feigning ignorance
I'm actually not, as I don't follow celebrities (including in tech) and find giving what they say weight silly. I was more referring to him being generally controversial and that not being a new thing.
Anyway, I took the time to at least skim that faithful blog post and what he wrote appears to be just a reflection of what a significant chunk of Danes nowadays think.
Also where I'm from it would be considered tame and I wish my country's policy was more like that of Denmark, because so far we have largely performative violence, which isn't really effective.
Personally I think Robinson's entire purpose in life is to keep himself out of jail, but he fails at that too. Not too bright a fellow, and certainly a terrible leader.
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Because a lot of people who are not white are born in Britain, making them native Brits?
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There have been people of West African descent in England since the early medieval period.
So? Look, I'm aware that there has been a recent drive to erase British history with this overt (and often comically historically inaccurate) diversity agenda (see: Netflix slop and BBC docudramas), but I'm genuinely not aware of any person who would consider West Africans to be "native Brits" (in the ethnic sense of the term, of course). To a reasonable common man, it's absurd.
Even if this is your view, it's clearly not the view of the original author so by introducing this fringe opinion you're only serving to confuse the discussion.
How can you possibly define "native Brit" in a way that includes, say, Saxons, but excludes West Africans who immigrated in the 1200s, without simply saying "people with light skin"? Or is 1066 your cutoff? Why?
It's sort of a silly opinion really. The British Empire spanned the globe. It's akin to being shocked to see blacks in the US.
that's not the controversial part, it's the distinct overtones of "go back to India/China/etc" that comes with it.
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Simply say, "we didn't realise how controversial DHH was, and we will focus our donations/marketing/sponsorships on other projects in the FOSS ecosystem going forward."
The fact Framework hasn't done this in the face of his racist, anti-trans and ableist viewpoints is what I find objectionable.
I supremely loathe the idea that every organization and company must take a stand on everything everyone has ever said.
No one sponsored rails because of DHH commenting sympathetically to a position of Tommy Robinson.
Now the whole thread is derailed. Objective achieved, good job.
Why should they though?
What's wrong with "We didn't realise how controversial DHH was, and frankly it's none of our business. We are sponsoring his development efforts, not his political crusade."?
What's wrong buying any Harry Potter thing, when J.K. has spoken very clearly that any money that she would get, would be use in his anti-trans crusade ?
Framework isn't funding any crusade. They made a small contribution to support open source software development.
If you don't agree with that, quietly take your business elsewhere. I cannot fathom the entitlement on display here, for this group to believe they have the moral high ground in demanding a cessation of this funding and a public apology, while trying to organise a boycott.
Nothing you buy doesn't have a fascist and a communist somewhere in the supply chain. Whatever your politics, you are always indirectly funding your political opponents. It bears no relation to the product or service they provide. You need to learn to operate in a society full of diverse opinions rather than having a meltdown when anyone differs in perspective.
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Sounds like you have a poitical clash with DHH. You are of course free to choose how you spend your money.
Other people are free to ignore politics or look at counteracting viewpoints: https://felipec.wordpress.com/2025/09/23/the-ruby-community-...
That article spends a lot of words in trying to paint DHH's "native Brits" in a positive light but never mentions the following sentence from the article:
> A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.
How is DHH able to determine nativity as defined by "being born and brought up" simply walking the streets of London if it has nothing to do with what you look like?
Plus he even links to a Wikipedia page about white vs non-white British population in London and uses the non-white number. If he wanted to, he could've referred to the foreign-born vs local-born numbers too but he did not.
I don't think DHH is racist, but he's so infected by the anti-woke mind virus that he's happy to parrot racist talking points to "own the libs". Whether that's any better, I'm not sure.
It seems like the author has infinite rope to extend to DHH. That's not being nice, that's being oblivious.
I'm in a weird boat in all this drama where I don't care what DHH thinks about the UK or the UK
Of course, but I know people who live in the UK who are not white. Some have lived there all their lives, even. Perhaps this drivel doesn't upset them but I can imagine how it might.
Unfortunately DHH is not going to be focused on the UK only. He'll lend his voice to the next rightwing ragebait without consideration of people who he works with on the daily. He had some very strong but entirely misinformed opinions about my hometown a few years ago and it was extremely annoying to read that from an ostensibly intelligent person while being in the middle of everything.
If he was some random guy, it wouldn't be such an issue but given he's the leader of a big open source project, everything he says gets a lot of publicity and frankly causes a lot of distraction for people just trying to do work on or with Rails.
It seems unlikely to me that DHH wasn’t referring to white people when he said “native Brit”. Certainly, if that’s not what he meant, he could clear that up pretty easily. Has he?
I don't think this drivel helps explains anything that's not stated in very plain English in DHH's blog.
It's a computer, not a political crusade.
There will be people of all types and ideologies in the Framework laptop supply chain somewhere. I don't see how this man's political views are at all relevant to the computer you are buying, even if you managed to convince me that he is guilty of thought crime in the first place.
My first Framework is preordered now. I really don't care if a Nazi or a transsexual furry Marxist or anything in between has contributed along the way. I bought a computer from a computer manufacturer.
It is a computer which wields its politics as its raison d'etre.
In this case, what you support is what you buy.
Isn't that repairability, upgradeability and customisation, though? I didn't see anything political while completing my preorder.
It seems to me like certain groups are trying to project their political agenda on to this repairable laptop maker, and then being outraged when the company is more concerned with making repairable laptops than championing their particular views.
The net finally caught something actually useful.