Of all the unnecessary AI integrations; firefox is the one I am least concerned or annoyed about. I will however be disabling anything AI related they introduce.
No kidding. I had to create a Google Doc document to remember all the little things that I have to clobber in Firefox to make it behave reasonably. Here is an excerpt of how I clobber the defaults:
- Enable pixel-perfect smooth scrolling (Linux): MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 (why do we still have to do this??)
- Enable: Ctrl-Tab cycles through recent used order
- Disable: "Show an image preview when you hover on a tab"
- Disable: "Use AI to suggest tabs and a name for tab group"
- Disable: "Enable Picture-in-Picture video controls"
- Disable: "Control media via keyboard, headset, or virtual interface"
- Disable: "Recommend extensions as you browse"
- Disable: "Recommend features as you browse"
- Disable: "Enable link previews"
- Homepage and new windows: Blank page
- New tabs: Blank page
- Disable: Web Search
- Disable: Weather
- Disable: Shortcuts
- Disable: Recommended stories
- Disable: Support Firefox
- Disable: "Save and autofill payment info"
- Disable: "Save and autofill addresses"
- Disable: "Ask to save passwords"
- Locations: Select "Block new requests asking to access your location"
- Notification: Select "Block new requests asking to allow notifications"
- Autoplay: Select "Block Audio and Video"
- Virtual Reality: Select "Block new requests asking to access your virtual reality devices"
- Default Search engine: DuckDuckGo
- Disable "Suggest search engines to use"
- Disable "Quick actions"
- Disable "Suggestions from Firefox"
- Disable: "Title Bar"
- Default Zoom: 110%, 120%, depending on the laptop
Yes, Betterfox all the way in + few custom settings.
I am still in position where I need to put some small pipeline to automatically download latest + merge my stuff and deploy, but even if it's manual every month or two it's not too bad.
A coworker (hi Robert!) created his own version of Firefox that doesn’t suck, with sane defaults and keyboard centric: https://github.com/glide-browser/glide
Pretty impressive project, and it’s really nice to use, I would recommend to give it a try
Likewise. The main thing I change is enforcing separate address bar and search box. It takes a lot of configuring to make the address bar stop being "smart" (i.e. never send things I type there to a search engine even if they're not valid URLs), and I can't even remember what options I used to fix it.
This. Since Firefox claims to be a privacy-first browser, it should, by default, use the Arkenfox settings (report spoofed values for language, screen size, fonts, and many other attributes that aid fingerprinting), and include uBlock Origin out of the box.
But it should go even further; the ultimate goal should be for all Firefox users to basically look the same from the point of view of third parties and put an end to tracking in the modern Web.
> report spoofed values for language, screen size, fonts, and many other attributes that aid fingerprinting
How much do these break functionality? If I spoof language, am I going to start seeing websites in German? If I spoof screen size, am I going to get weirdly zoomed websites?
I have my browser set to request, in order, English, a different English, then a non-English language. Some sites (Android docs, Gitlab, F-Droid) will send me the non-English content; Google even preferentially does their AI translation thing instead of the original English.
Then for some web sites it won't matter and display the dominant language of the country that you're accessing from. My Firefox sends US English as the only preferred language, but a ton of US tech companies default to showing web sites in Japanese without a way to change it because I access them from Japan. It's pretty typical of American companies that don't understand localization and accessibility.
Most infuriating is when they do it based on GeoIP. So what I'm in Istanbul currently, I know maybe a dozen words in Turkish. But no, and also they insist on having broken language switchers.
In the parallel universe where Firefox defaults to ai features being off, there's a snarky comment like yours about why it isn't on by default.
It is really tiring to hear this stuff. People (rightfully) complained there was no switch. One was added. In Chrome, you can't turn off Google's ai unless you install a third party extension that hasn't yet been blocked by Google. Not a lot of companies allow disabling their garbage, but FF does.
> Not a lot of companies allow disabling their garbage, but FF does.
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> Can't we be happy with this nice switch?
I want my tools to keep working the way they have been working. I don't want to be paranoid that "garbage" (as you put it), or any other controversial changes, are going to be slipped into my tools while I'm not looking.
Most of the features in the article are already opt-in. It's not like Firefox just automatically translates articles against your will, for example.
Mozilla is mainly responding to inflammatory comments like yours by adding additional toggles to disable any sort of trace in the UI about those features even existing.
I think the parent comment is snark. They're saying that since many Firefox users are saying "Let me turn off AI features, please!" for features they don't want at all, and few to no Firefox users are saying "Let me turn on AI features!" because few to no Firefox users want AI features in the first place, Mozilla is making AI features opt-out to "satisfy" the "want" of turning off AI features.
I am tired of turning features off. At this point I just want a boring browser that handles html/css/js, bookmarks, tabs (should sleep inactive tabs), plugins (for my chosen password manager and ad blocker), and page zoom. Those are the only features I actually use regularly.
That's it, I would be willing to make a one time purchase for that, no subscriptions... Ok, I could maybe be convinced for a subscription if it was a low yearly one.
Sure, I just want the core browser stuff and plugins, security/privacy kinda goes with that.
It feels like browsers are like old IDEs where everything is bundled in. I think it would be much better it they were more like modern code editors where people can make their own custom IDE by installing the plugins they want.
Yup, providing better APIs for external bookmarks management, password management, etc would be much better than trying to provide some “one size fits all full featured built in” implementation.
I'm worried that this will require yet another config change on top of the already-ridiculous pile. (A listing was discussed 3 months ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45696752 )
That's the third-best design they could have. Second-best would be having a toggle to turn on AI. Best would be going back to building a browser and leaving out the AI entirely, or putting it in some other product that they only consider funding after they get back to 50% market share for the browser.
This is a good start, but there is still no way to remove what is sure to be tremendous bloat caused by these features. I would prefer if we could opt to install (or not install) them to begin with.
They used to be gross, alright. Probably still are.
There was a PR campaign ("on their behalf" ? :] ), posting on certain websites in the first year of their launch or so.
(This was before the fraud in which Brave were taking donations in the name of someone else, without anyones consent.) It involved posting things like "Come home, white man" and other dog-whistles on image-boards along with the brave-lion logo imagery on a consistent, regular basis.
There's probably archives of these threads and people calling out they were very obviously automated and calculated. Who else at this point would even care to do it for them?
Eich got kicked out of Mozilla for his views not aligning with everyone else, so him weaponizing his own views like that isn't exactly what some would call unexpected. He might also not know the extent of which his PR goons go to promote his stuff, but come on now... the whole image is planned. There's a reason they choose to 'break a few rules' and they want their browser image to be that of a 'strong authoritative male leader' specifically. It appeals to a certain demographic also, wonder who... /s
I just think it's super fucking lame and plenty of people smell that shit a mile away. Which explains why plenty of people say "fuck no" without even knowing half of this shit.
The moment you read “crypto mining in the browser while you browse” should be an immediate red flag that you should run away. Absolutely no need to respect him even when he was the creator of JS. So what.
I hate FF since some random morons decided it's a good thing on mobile to use the last used folder for bookmarks, instead of the mobile bookmarks folders.
I have several thousand curated bookmarks. And I only discovered too late the new "feature".
Disrupted my former flow (mark on mobile, sort/categorize on desktop)
They could have made this configurable, but no... those smart asses knew better.
I have that GitHub issue where they initially discussed it for iOS bookmarked and screenshoted, to remind myself how utterly stupid some people are.
I hate every sucker involved.
The real question is whether this sets a precedent for how browsers should handle feature creep in general. Browsers have quietly accumulated telemetry, sponsored content, pocket integrations, VPN upsells — AI is just the latest.
What I like about Mozilla's approach here is the single toggle for all current and future AI. That's a genuine concession to user agency rather than the usual whack-a-mole of about:config flags. If every new feature category got this treatment (a clear, discoverable off switch), browsers would be in a much better place trust-wise.
The deeper issue is that Mozilla needs revenue diversification beyond the Google search deal, and AI features are their bet on that. So the incentive to make the toggle hard to find or slowly degrade the non-AI experience will always be there. I'd love to see them prove that wrong.
They can't afford to, or they would have. With ads in the browser, telemetry that doesn't really switch off, etc. etc. their brand value has really fallen.
It's not an LLM but it is a tiny pre-trained ML model running inside the browser. Funded by the EU and made in partnership with a few European universities as well: https://mozilla.github.io/translations/docs/
Their level of acceptance for releasing a new model (AKA new language support) is to benchmark within 5% difference of Google Translate, basically proving you don't need an external party to do good-enough translations for you. It's like the coolest thing they worked on recently.
Most modern translation tools are language models and this was true even before the LLM chatbot explosion. The difference is they were trained on smaller (and less dubiously sourced) datasets and the output that was trained for was translations directly rather than conversations.
If accurate, this strikes me as something like malicious compliance.
> Translations, which help you browse the web in your preferred language.
Machine translation can be useful when you want to get the gist of something in a language you don't know.
> Alt text in PDFs, which add accessibility descriptions to images in PDF pages.
OCR? Okay...
> AI-enhanced tab grouping, which suggests related tabs and group names.
What is this feature even trying to do? It sounds like ill-defined trash.
> Link previews, which show key points before you open a link.
Or I could just click the link.
> AI chatbot in the sidebar, which lets you use your chosen chatbot as you browse, including options like Anthropic Claude, ChatGPT, Microsoft Copilot, Google Gemini and Le Chat Mistral.
This is the thing that most people are probably complaining about. Lumping the other features in with it is a distraction.
That's because "AI" is a bunch of unrelated stuff that happens to use LLMs. Maybe you don't agree that machine translation using a large language model is AI, but other people do.
Of all the unnecessary AI integrations; firefox is the one I am least concerned or annoyed about. I will however be disabling anything AI related they introduce.
I keep meaning to make a guide "how to make firefox not suck" but I never get around to it.
It's a great browser, but I always forget the default settings are super stupid. Myself and power users all have it customized to the hilt.
It takes some serious work to get a new new FireFox install working nicely.
No kidding. I had to create a Google Doc document to remember all the little things that I have to clobber in Firefox to make it behave reasonably. Here is an excerpt of how I clobber the defaults:
I probably forgot a few things.And I install the following extensions:
What does the Facebook container do that can't be done by the Multi-Account Container? I just have a Facebook/Google/AWS/etc. container set up there.
This is why I use nixos so I can easily deploy a configured firefox quickly
Or you could just use user.js and not have to change every setting manually each time you start from scratch.
Yes, Betterfox all the way in + few custom settings.
I am still in position where I need to put some small pipeline to automatically download latest + merge my stuff and deploy, but even if it's manual every month or two it's not too bad.
A coworker (hi Robert!) created his own version of Firefox that doesn’t suck, with sane defaults and keyboard centric: https://github.com/glide-browser/glide
Pretty impressive project, and it’s really nice to use, I would recommend to give it a try
The only things I do with a new copy of Firefox is install uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger and it works quite nicely.
(Oh, and an extension that redirects reddit links to old reddit, and RES)
Likewise. The main thing I change is enforcing separate address bar and search box. It takes a lot of configuring to make the address bar stop being "smart" (i.e. never send things I type there to a search engine even if they're not valid URLs), and I can't even remember what options I used to fix it.
This. Since Firefox claims to be a privacy-first browser, it should, by default, use the Arkenfox settings (report spoofed values for language, screen size, fonts, and many other attributes that aid fingerprinting), and include uBlock Origin out of the box.
But it should go even further; the ultimate goal should be for all Firefox users to basically look the same from the point of view of third parties and put an end to tracking in the modern Web.
> report spoofed values for language, screen size, fonts, and many other attributes that aid fingerprinting
How much do these break functionality? If I spoof language, am I going to start seeing websites in German? If I spoof screen size, am I going to get weirdly zoomed websites?
If anything, it might unbreak things.
I have my browser set to request, in order, English, a different English, then a non-English language. Some sites (Android docs, Gitlab, F-Droid) will send me the non-English content; Google even preferentially does their AI translation thing instead of the original English.
Then for some web sites it won't matter and display the dominant language of the country that you're accessing from. My Firefox sends US English as the only preferred language, but a ton of US tech companies default to showing web sites in Japanese without a way to change it because I access them from Japan. It's pretty typical of American companies that don't understand localization and accessibility.
Most infuriating is when they do it based on GeoIP. So what I'm in Istanbul currently, I know maybe a dozen words in Turkish. But no, and also they insist on having broken language switchers.
Could you mention some of these settings? I moved to Firefox from being a Chrome user and interested to know improvements
Why are there controls to turn off AI features, but no controls to turn on AI features?
In the parallel universe where Firefox defaults to ai features being off, there's a snarky comment like yours about why it isn't on by default.
It is really tiring to hear this stuff. People (rightfully) complained there was no switch. One was added. In Chrome, you can't turn off Google's ai unless you install a third party extension that hasn't yet been blocked by Google. Not a lot of companies allow disabling their garbage, but FF does.
Can't we be happy with this nice switch?
> Not a lot of companies allow disabling their garbage, but FF does. > > Can't we be happy with this nice switch?
I want my tools to keep working the way they have been working. I don't want to be paranoid that "garbage" (as you put it), or any other controversial changes, are going to be slipped into my tools while I'm not looking.
You need to read again. Parent is asking opt-in, not opt-out. Firefox should have been doing opt-in
Most of the features in the article are already opt-in. It's not like Firefox just automatically translates articles against your will, for example.
Mozilla is mainly responding to inflammatory comments like yours by adding additional toggles to disable any sort of trace in the UI about those features even existing.
Because Firefox users have been clamoring for the ability to turn them off rather than the opposite.
I think you misunderstand. Firefox users have wanted this to be opt-in or explicit-choice rather than opt-out.
The implication is that all future AI features will be opt-out.
I think the parent comment is snark. They're saying that since many Firefox users are saying "Let me turn off AI features, please!" for features they don't want at all, and few to no Firefox users are saying "Let me turn on AI features!" because few to no Firefox users want AI features in the first place, Mozilla is making AI features opt-out to "satisfy" the "want" of turning off AI features.
I think they're asking why it has to be opt-out rather than opt-in.
The likely answer is an incentive structure that rewards someone for maximizing 'number of users using AI'.
Those are helpfully enabled by default, you can put your feet up, Moz has you covered.
It's incredible that even vscode had this before Firefox. How could they misjudge their audience so badly?
I am tired of turning features off. At this point I just want a boring browser that handles html/css/js, bookmarks, tabs (should sleep inactive tabs), plugins (for my chosen password manager and ad blocker), and page zoom. Those are the only features I actually use regularly.
That's it, I would be willing to make a one time purchase for that, no subscriptions... Ok, I could maybe be convinced for a subscription if it was a low yearly one.
You should probably look into https://justthebrowser.com/. This software sets up browser corporate policies to achieve exactly what you want.
Its not good enough for a fork. It needs to be a major, well maintained product, like firefox.
Safari is 90% this, and maybe before they changed how extensions worked it was like 99% this. I weep for how close it was.
Don't forget an obfuscation layer to spoof things like canvas fingerprinting, installed fonts, etc. I'd pay for that.
Sure, I just want the core browser stuff and plugins, security/privacy kinda goes with that.
It feels like browsers are like old IDEs where everything is bundled in. I think it would be much better it they were more like modern code editors where people can make their own custom IDE by installing the plugins they want.
Yup, providing better APIs for external bookmarks management, password management, etc would be much better than trying to provide some “one size fits all full featured built in” implementation.
I'm worried that this will require yet another config change on top of the already-ridiculous pile. (A listing was discussed 3 months ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45696752 )
If you click through you can see that the new feature includes a single toggle to turn off all current and future AI.
That's the third-best design they could have. Second-best would be having a toggle to turn on AI. Best would be going back to building a browser and leaving out the AI entirely, or putting it in some other product that they only consider funding after they get back to 50% market share for the browser.
Market share statistics include Chrome- and Safari-based webviews do they not?
Pretty much impossible for Firefox to achieve 50% of market share
Hope apps follow this lead—AI should be a toggle, not a default.
Official announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
This is a good start, but there is still no way to remove what is sure to be tremendous bloat caused by these features. I would prefer if we could opt to install (or not install) them to begin with.
Too little, too late. Switched to Brave and haven’t been happier. Firefox lost the plot years ago.
Brave comes with its own branded "Leo"[1] AI assistant built into the browser lol
[1] https://brave.com/leo/
Every time brave gets walked out as some good alternative I cant get past the vc / crypto coin / brave-reward holding garbage.
Maybe they're ok now but they had some really gross mistakes (?).
They used to be gross, alright. Probably still are.
There was a PR campaign ("on their behalf" ? :] ), posting on certain websites in the first year of their launch or so. (This was before the fraud in which Brave were taking donations in the name of someone else, without anyones consent.) It involved posting things like "Come home, white man" and other dog-whistles on image-boards along with the brave-lion logo imagery on a consistent, regular basis. There's probably archives of these threads and people calling out they were very obviously automated and calculated. Who else at this point would even care to do it for them?
Eich got kicked out of Mozilla for his views not aligning with everyone else, so him weaponizing his own views like that isn't exactly what some would call unexpected. He might also not know the extent of which his PR goons go to promote his stuff, but come on now... the whole image is planned. There's a reason they choose to 'break a few rules' and they want their browser image to be that of a 'strong authoritative male leader' specifically. It appeals to a certain demographic also, wonder who... /s
I just think it's super fucking lame and plenty of people smell that shit a mile away. Which explains why plenty of people say "fuck no" without even knowing half of this shit.
The moment you read “crypto mining in the browser while you browse” should be an immediate red flag that you should run away. Absolutely no need to respect him even when he was the creator of JS. So what.
Well, I'm looking forward to the new AI features and I use the AI sidebar regularly. Thanks Mozilla
Soon: "Oopsie woopsie, we changed your expressed preferences... care to try again?"
This is expected behavior in Microsoft products, but has Firefox ever done anything like this?
I hate FF since some random morons decided it's a good thing on mobile to use the last used folder for bookmarks, instead of the mobile bookmarks folders.
I have several thousand curated bookmarks. And I only discovered too late the new "feature". Disrupted my former flow (mark on mobile, sort/categorize on desktop)
They could have made this configurable, but no... those smart asses knew better.
I have that GitHub issue where they initially discussed it for iOS bookmarked and screenshoted, to remind myself how utterly stupid some people are. I hate every sucker involved.
The real question is whether this sets a precedent for how browsers should handle feature creep in general. Browsers have quietly accumulated telemetry, sponsored content, pocket integrations, VPN upsells — AI is just the latest.
What I like about Mozilla's approach here is the single toggle for all current and future AI. That's a genuine concession to user agency rather than the usual whack-a-mole of about:config flags. If every new feature category got this treatment (a clear, discoverable off switch), browsers would be in a much better place trust-wise.
The deeper issue is that Mozilla needs revenue diversification beyond the Google search deal, and AI features are their bet on that. So the incentive to make the toggle hard to find or slowly degrade the non-AI experience will always be there. I'd love to see them prove that wrong.
> the single toggle for all current and future AI. That's a genuine concession to user agency rather than the usual whack-a-mole of about:config flags
My thought exactly! I'm grateful that Mozilla isn't hiding the features behind dark config UI patterns.
They can't afford to, or they would have. With ads in the browser, telemetry that doesn't really switch off, etc. etc. their brand value has really fallen.
I'd say browsers are a pretty good way of delivering models that run locally.
Currently, this tech is a sleeper because consumer hardware is not there yet.
Extensions, even websites, could benefit a lot from offering small models on demand and powering client-side features with them.
That is very different from a browser that embeds AI access through an API, and totally acceptable.
Wasn’t their translations project “pre AI”? That’s not running an LLM is it?
It's not an LLM but it is a tiny pre-trained ML model running inside the browser. Funded by the EU and made in partnership with a few European universities as well: https://mozilla.github.io/translations/docs/
Their level of acceptance for releasing a new model (AKA new language support) is to benchmark within 5% difference of Google Translate, basically proving you don't need an external party to do good-enough translations for you. It's like the coolest thing they worked on recently.
Most modern translation tools are language models and this was true even before the LLM chatbot explosion. The difference is they were trained on smaller (and less dubiously sourced) datasets and the output that was trained for was translations directly rather than conversations.
Waterfox is best way to get sane defaults.
Someone needs to make an ai blocker like add blocker
too late I already stopped using it
justthebrowser.com
[dupe] Source: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46858492)
I would like to see them provide -AI-free builds ... just to be sure.
If accurate, this strikes me as something like malicious compliance.
> Translations, which help you browse the web in your preferred language.
Machine translation can be useful when you want to get the gist of something in a language you don't know.
> Alt text in PDFs, which add accessibility descriptions to images in PDF pages.
OCR? Okay...
> AI-enhanced tab grouping, which suggests related tabs and group names.
What is this feature even trying to do? It sounds like ill-defined trash.
> Link previews, which show key points before you open a link.
Or I could just click the link.
> AI chatbot in the sidebar, which lets you use your chosen chatbot as you browse, including options like Anthropic Claude, ChatGPT, Microsoft Copilot, Google Gemini and Le Chat Mistral.
This is the thing that most people are probably complaining about. Lumping the other features in with it is a distraction.
> The AI features can be disabled entirely or individually, so users can pick and choose what they want to use
It sounds like you would want to switch off two of them and leave two of them on, no? How is that malicious compliance?
The master AI switch is for people that have moral issues with all AI, so they want all future features turned off.
Mozilla is grouping a bunch of unrelated stuff in with the one thing people don't want.
That's because "AI" is a bunch of unrelated stuff that happens to use LLMs. Maybe you don't agree that machine translation using a large language model is AI, but other people do.
too late.
That control would be LibreWolf, turns off the rest of the bad things too