The gap this closes is real. IceStorm and Apicula gave you open tooling but you were still loading bitstreams onto someone else's closed fabric. Yosys/nextpnr same story. Aegis is the first time the fabric itself is auditable, which matters a lot for anyone building hardware that needs a complete trust chain from RTL down to GDS. The wafer.space + open PDK path makes it actually tapeout-able, not just a simulation exercise. Curious how the LUT4 fabric competes on density against GF180 commercial offerings, that's usually where open implementations get humbling
That’s a nice theory. Fab is one thing, but there are afterwards packaging and testing facilities where silicon can be swapped. I worked for a short time for a military contractor. They don’t X-ray every single chip. They just use it assuming the ordered chip is the one which was delivered by the markings on the package.
The problem is you can make test chips like Aegis for around $10 (depending on the yield, on how many of the first 1000 chips actually work) but they are just that, test chips.
In the case of Morphle Logic we make wafer scale integrations (WSI) with 10 billion transistors at 180nm for $750. That yields around 300 million 'gates', the largest commercial FPGA's barely get to 3 million. So our Morphle Logic WSI is the largest and fastest (up to 12 Ghz) FPGA you could get if we can find a few hundred buyers who want to pay up front (crowdfunding). Please email me if you are interested in such a enormous fast FPGA.
I'll buy an Aegis FPGFA test chip just to find out how hard it is to test a test chip.
Good luck RossComputerGuy, I hope you get working chips back. The same fab and supplier lost our first taped-out chips in the mail... and then they went bankrupt.
As someone who has only dabbled with FPGAs before, this is incredible to see all the steps end-to-end for silicon development! I feel like the articles I've read always leave out details in one part or another, so it's interesting to see all the nix dependencies and build steps.
Neat project - there are already a couple of good open FPGA projects. Have a look at Dirk Koch's and the FABolous teams work. They are doing exceptional work.
But all open FPGA projects miss the IO required for a good design. They do not have any serdes hardware nor DDR IO cells.
This project seems to have a serdes block which seems to wrap whatever is in the PDK. Didn't look too far down but from a cursory glance it looked like it was built for an internal clock of 50 MHz (clock default to 20 ns) with an oversampling of 8: 400 MHz
If those numbers are at all right it puts it in useful territory. Very much so for a first spin
For a first spin it looks overall pretty useful. The only nitpick I have would be that `operation` on the DSP tile should be from fabric instead of config (hardcoded in bitstream) otherwise I don't see a convenient way of resetting the accumulator(?)
Thanks for the suggestion on the DSP. Maybe I'll add new DSP tiles that are reconfigurable and keep the config based DSP tiles. I designed Aegis's Terra 1 to be a "good enough first gen" so that's why things are the way they are. I didn't want to over commit on the design for a first generation.
Yeah, I did see there's been attempts but none really satisfied what I wanted out of it. I do know of FABulous and it seems good but not quite what I wanted. You can see that aside from yosys and nextpnr, it is quite self contained and even provides a very easy way of defining new silicon with Nix.
I know that IO is really the 2nd thing which sells FPGA's. I did design a basic serdes hardware that should just work for this first generation. I do want to do DDR IO cells in the future.
You can come work with us/for us and scale your SerDes design for us. That gets you actual wafer mask sets taped-out, a million chips and a WSI, not just test chips. A succesful SerDes will get you a job (at least in Europe).
How fast will the SerDes run, 50 Mhz? It is not clear to me from the serdes_tile.dart source code.
Can you share the verilog files?
The gap this closes is real. IceStorm and Apicula gave you open tooling but you were still loading bitstreams onto someone else's closed fabric. Yosys/nextpnr same story. Aegis is the first time the fabric itself is auditable, which matters a lot for anyone building hardware that needs a complete trust chain from RTL down to GDS. The wafer.space + open PDK path makes it actually tapeout-able, not just a simulation exercise. Curious how the LUT4 fabric competes on density against GF180 commercial offerings, that's usually where open implementations get humbling
How do you verify that the fab produces the design authentically? They could create a security vulnerability only they know how to exploit.
That’s a nice theory. Fab is one thing, but there are afterwards packaging and testing facilities where silicon can be swapped. I worked for a short time for a military contractor. They don’t X-ray every single chip. They just use it assuming the ordered chip is the one which was delivered by the markings on the package.
How far away are we from being able to run a hobby Linux on something like that, a completely hardware-backdoor-free system?
You can already do that on several Risc-V chips with mmu.
We make an asynchronous sea of gates runtime reconfigurable gate array chip very different from FPGA's but with the same use cases https://github.com/fiberhood/MorphleLogic/blob/main/README_M...
The problem is you can make test chips like Aegis for around $10 (depending on the yield, on how many of the first 1000 chips actually work) but they are just that, test chips.
In the case of Morphle Logic we make wafer scale integrations (WSI) with 10 billion transistors at 180nm for $750. That yields around 300 million 'gates', the largest commercial FPGA's barely get to 3 million. So our Morphle Logic WSI is the largest and fastest (up to 12 Ghz) FPGA you could get if we can find a few hundred buyers who want to pay up front (crowdfunding). Please email me if you are interested in such a enormous fast FPGA.
I'll buy an Aegis FPGFA test chip just to find out how hard it is to test a test chip.
Good luck RossComputerGuy, I hope you get working chips back. The same fab and supplier lost our first taped-out chips in the mail... and then they went bankrupt.
As someone who has only dabbled with FPGAs before, this is incredible to see all the steps end-to-end for silicon development! I feel like the articles I've read always leave out details in one part or another, so it's interesting to see all the nix dependencies and build steps.
There's also an open source Authenticator software with the same name.
Neat project - there are already a couple of good open FPGA projects. Have a look at Dirk Koch's and the FABolous teams work. They are doing exceptional work.
But all open FPGA projects miss the IO required for a good design. They do not have any serdes hardware nor DDR IO cells.
This project seems to have a serdes block which seems to wrap whatever is in the PDK. Didn't look too far down but from a cursory glance it looked like it was built for an internal clock of 50 MHz (clock default to 20 ns) with an oversampling of 8: 400 MHz
If those numbers are at all right it puts it in useful territory. Very much so for a first spin
For a first spin it looks overall pretty useful. The only nitpick I have would be that `operation` on the DSP tile should be from fabric instead of config (hardcoded in bitstream) otherwise I don't see a convenient way of resetting the accumulator(?)
Thanks for the suggestion on the DSP. Maybe I'll add new DSP tiles that are reconfigurable and keep the config based DSP tiles. I designed Aegis's Terra 1 to be a "good enough first gen" so that's why things are the way they are. I didn't want to over commit on the design for a first generation.
Yeah, I did see there's been attempts but none really satisfied what I wanted out of it. I do know of FABulous and it seems good but not quite what I wanted. You can see that aside from yosys and nextpnr, it is quite self contained and even provides a very easy way of defining new silicon with Nix.
I know that IO is really the 2nd thing which sells FPGA's. I did design a basic serdes hardware that should just work for this first generation. I do want to do DDR IO cells in the future.
You can come work with us/for us and scale your SerDes design for us. That gets you actual wafer mask sets taped-out, a million chips and a WSI, not just test chips. A succesful SerDes will get you a job (at least in Europe).
How fast will the SerDes run, 50 Mhz? It is not clear to me from the serdes_tile.dart source code. Can you share the verilog files?
Excellent. Put me down for a couple.
me too please