> In this report, we describe two clusters of ChatGPT accounts likely originating from China that we banned after they used our models in support of apparent covert influence operations that promoted narratives in an attempt to manipulate a legitimate debate about American AI and wider tech policies.
Why would people in China choose ChatGPT for this? Surely one of the multiple Chinese LLMs would be perfectly suitable for generating social media posts, no?
I don't doubt that the PRC is up to astroturfing shenanigans (they do have a vested interest in convincing the American public to kneecap America's tech sector), but using American LLMs via American services seems like an odd choice for that.
It's entirely possible that the vast majority of those involved do use Chinese LLMs. Some small portion may have used ChatGPT for higher quality posts.
> Some small portion may have used ChatGPT for higher quality posts.
Deepseek, Kimi, GLM have comparable quality to GPT for this purpose. More likely they are lying about it to discredit real opposition to data center expansion.
i think people misunderstand foreign influence with the wrong POV. they dont need to be sided. in democracy, it functions when theres smooth transitions, fact finding, debates
these campaigns are equally about polarization. the goal is to keep people from acting rational and foment irrational behavior.
it should be obvious to people in america and britain that this tactic works.
now fuck data centers, but you cant use "they had POV X" as a deciding factor on anything. aside from lying, theyre an AI company so the bullshit could come from anywhere.
AI is able to recursively improve its code now, and Anthropic warns we should slow down development before it gets too advanced (reported 2019, and 2026)
PRC-linked influence operations are targeting AI debates
Anthropic and OpenAI holds all the power and will create world utopia
This shit's happening with every topic now. I really wish we'd just start cutting out massive blocks of internet and phones so our old people are not scammed, so our young are not radicalized and our leaders convinced something crazy is happening any more.
America already lost the battle. Multiple administrations on both sides of the aisle have reported China having access to America's lawful intercept wiretap system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon
No amount of authoritarian backpedaling will put the genie back in the bottle. They've got blackmail on our politicians, backdoors in our telecoms, and Chinese apps at #1 on the App Store. America is paying for "freedom" through the nose right now, the will to quit using social media and smartphones has to come from within.
> America is paying for "freedom" through the nose
if you ask people on the street i think more than half of them will say they dont care if china gets ahead. even with conservatives who dont like china its more about keeping the american way of life as in "i dont want them to bring communism here", not some global clash of civilizations thing. if they really hated china those apps would never get to #1. its obvious that american citizens want more friendly relations or at least keeping it at the current level instead of tariffs and war mongering.
the only ones who really want a cold war is the corrupt national security industrial complex, think palantir and anthropic and lockheed martin. theres a lot of money to be made from selling overpriced missiles to the air force and forcing americans to use bad quality more expensive ai providers after the chinese or eu based get banned for "security" reasons.
even the fact that "national security" exists as a concept separate from public security means theres a big misalignment in the system. the purpose of a state is to serve and protect its people, not secure its power or even its own existence. as long as the cia, nsa, ice, dea and all the other agencies are allowed to do influence ops on their own citizens america cant be a true democracy. and the same goes for the uk, china, india, germany, really any country thats big and powerful enough that this kind of corruption can start.
> In this report, we describe two clusters of ChatGPT accounts likely originating from China that we banned after they used our models in support of apparent covert influence operations that promoted narratives in an attempt to manipulate a legitimate debate about American AI and wider tech policies.
Why would people in China choose ChatGPT for this? Surely one of the multiple Chinese LLMs would be perfectly suitable for generating social media posts, no?
I don't doubt that the PRC is up to astroturfing shenanigans (they do have a vested interest in convincing the American public to kneecap America's tech sector), but using American LLMs via American services seems like an odd choice for that.
I found this article to be more balanced take on the subject:
https://text.npr.org/nx-s1-5844328
It's entirely possible that the vast majority of those involved do use Chinese LLMs. Some small portion may have used ChatGPT for higher quality posts.
> Some small portion may have used ChatGPT for higher quality posts.
Deepseek, Kimi, GLM have comparable quality to GPT for this purpose. More likely they are lying about it to discredit real opposition to data center expansion.
i think people misunderstand foreign influence with the wrong POV. they dont need to be sided. in democracy, it functions when theres smooth transitions, fact finding, debates
these campaigns are equally about polarization. the goal is to keep people from acting rational and foment irrational behavior.
it should be obvious to people in america and britain that this tactic works.
now fuck data centers, but you cant use "they had POV X" as a deciding factor on anything. aside from lying, theyre an AI company so the bullshit could come from anywhere.
Is this Mass Surveillance or Charlatan ?
AI is able to recursively improve its code now, and Anthropic warns we should slow down development before it gets too advanced (reported 2019, and 2026)
PRC-linked influence operations are targeting AI debates
Anthropic and OpenAI holds all the power and will create world utopia
oh btw, we will both IPO after SpaceX
lol, clown world.
> “The PRC wants you to regulate us so don’t do it.”
Gotcha.
This shit's happening with every topic now. I really wish we'd just start cutting out massive blocks of internet and phones so our old people are not scammed, so our young are not radicalized and our leaders convinced something crazy is happening any more.
America already lost the battle. Multiple administrations on both sides of the aisle have reported China having access to America's lawful intercept wiretap system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon
No amount of authoritarian backpedaling will put the genie back in the bottle. They've got blackmail on our politicians, backdoors in our telecoms, and Chinese apps at #1 on the App Store. America is paying for "freedom" through the nose right now, the will to quit using social media and smartphones has to come from within.
> America is paying for "freedom" through the nose
if you ask people on the street i think more than half of them will say they dont care if china gets ahead. even with conservatives who dont like china its more about keeping the american way of life as in "i dont want them to bring communism here", not some global clash of civilizations thing. if they really hated china those apps would never get to #1. its obvious that american citizens want more friendly relations or at least keeping it at the current level instead of tariffs and war mongering.
the only ones who really want a cold war is the corrupt national security industrial complex, think palantir and anthropic and lockheed martin. theres a lot of money to be made from selling overpriced missiles to the air force and forcing americans to use bad quality more expensive ai providers after the chinese or eu based get banned for "security" reasons.
even the fact that "national security" exists as a concept separate from public security means theres a big misalignment in the system. the purpose of a state is to serve and protect its people, not secure its power or even its own existence. as long as the cia, nsa, ice, dea and all the other agencies are allowed to do influence ops on their own citizens america cant be a true democracy. and the same goes for the uk, china, india, germany, really any country thats big and powerful enough that this kind of corruption can start.
By freedom you mean freedom to invade other countries? Then don't be surprised those other countries fight back.
Have we invaded China?
Eight-Nation Alliance (1900)
You might want to read about before WWII