Good to see that there is still development going on, a year after the fork on it. I don't view the love for Wayland as requiring deprecation of X11 or vice versa.
So I have been kind of idly watching this, trying to avoid the political. Every few days i jump in, do a git pull and look at commits. Over time I have been pasting them into the IRC and chatting about it. Some are clearly like 'wow this is an obvious fix' to bugs that seem to have been long standing. papercut type bugs. Some are larger refactors and clean ups that someone who is putting a project to bed wouldn't bother with. I also think Xorg is basically going into apache office mode, where they won't release, and patches keep piling up a-la the whole Go-OO debacle.
So I am glad to see the momentum, the cleanups, and most of all, the continued dedication to a GUI interface I have used since before I ever came to this country, before I even knew what X was, before I was married or my children were alive.
stop reading here if you wish
Politically, I think the engineering employees of professional and dedicated companies can develop and design intelligent, well built and excellent software. As much as we won't admit, Microsoft is/was a good example of being able to build and ship software. Likewise there are teams of people employed to work on Linux display systems. They have bosses. Their bosses are interested in certain things, and fund others. I think fracturing is not a bad idea. the 'Wayland' or 'Freedesktop' or maybe 'Fedora/intel/whatever employee' team also controlling X11 development is not healthy for either. Not to say I think overlap is bad, but I do believe - for me personally, given all the software I use every day is built on X11, it is important for me to keep it going, even if it's not politically expedient.
my UI workflows like i3 and dmenu, but things like a systray for moc my music player. The desktop enviroment i use (KDE3.5) is also on top so Konqueror, Kmail, etc. glue scripts and small guis i have for i3 and dmenu that give me what i need, without a rewrite. emoji insert scripts i wrote for fun, random stuff you know it just works.
In my understanding a good chunk of the CoC dislike connects to MAGA ideology (because CoC aim at inclusivity, and we know what the MAGA position on that is).
(the standard approach to thinking a CoC is useless is probably just to not have one and not comment on it. Going out of one's way to make a statement shows something that goes further than "maybe it's useless")
Good to see that there is still development going on, a year after the fork on it. I don't view the love for Wayland as requiring deprecation of X11 or vice versa.
surprised that its getting active dev to this day
its sad that it doesn't get as much attention commercially
Fwiw this post seems to have gotten nuked off the front page (and all subsequent pages). Not sure why.
So I have been kind of idly watching this, trying to avoid the political. Every few days i jump in, do a git pull and look at commits. Over time I have been pasting them into the IRC and chatting about it. Some are clearly like 'wow this is an obvious fix' to bugs that seem to have been long standing. papercut type bugs. Some are larger refactors and clean ups that someone who is putting a project to bed wouldn't bother with. I also think Xorg is basically going into apache office mode, where they won't release, and patches keep piling up a-la the whole Go-OO debacle.
So I am glad to see the momentum, the cleanups, and most of all, the continued dedication to a GUI interface I have used since before I ever came to this country, before I even knew what X was, before I was married or my children were alive.
stop reading here if you wish
Politically, I think the engineering employees of professional and dedicated companies can develop and design intelligent, well built and excellent software. As much as we won't admit, Microsoft is/was a good example of being able to build and ship software. Likewise there are teams of people employed to work on Linux display systems. They have bosses. Their bosses are interested in certain things, and fund others. I think fracturing is not a bad idea. the 'Wayland' or 'Freedesktop' or maybe 'Fedora/intel/whatever employee' team also controlling X11 development is not healthy for either. Not to say I think overlap is bad, but I do believe - for me personally, given all the software I use every day is built on X11, it is important for me to keep it going, even if it's not politically expedient.
Thanks!
> given all the software I use every day is built on X11
Oh? I'm curious what that is? Must be very old and/or bespoke :P
my UI workflows like i3 and dmenu, but things like a systray for moc my music player. The desktop enviroment i use (KDE3.5) is also on top so Konqueror, Kmail, etc. glue scripts and small guis i have for i3 and dmenu that give me what i need, without a rewrite. emoji insert scripts i wrote for fun, random stuff you know it just works.
So do you use Trinity Desktop environment?
Yes
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That's quite a claim. I have zero interest in using or supporting such a project either way, but do you have any evidence for that?
No idea about the overall background of the project or devs, but: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/blob/master/CoC.md
In my understanding a good chunk of the CoC dislike connects to MAGA ideology (because CoC aim at inclusivity, and we know what the MAGA position on that is).
(the standard approach to thinking a CoC is useless is probably just to not have one and not comment on it. Going out of one's way to make a statement shows something that goes further than "maybe it's useless")
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
And other times a cigar claims to "make cigars great again" which naturally raises eyebrows
A woman is only a woman; but a good cigar, is a Smoke!
- Rudyard Kipling
alternative: it is what it is.